Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
Planning & Beyond® is for financial advisors who want to go beyond the numbers and build deeper, more trusted client relationships.
Hosted by Ashley Quamme, a licensed therapist and financial behavior specialist, this podcast helps advisors better understand the psychology, emotions, and behaviors that shape client conversations.
Each episode offers practical strategies you can apply in discovery meetings, prospect conversations, difficult money discussions, and major life transition planning. Through conversations with experts in behavioral finance, financial psychology, and financial therapy, Ashley explores how advisors can strengthen communication, navigate emotional moments, build trust, and support clients with more confidence.
If you want to improve the way you connect with clients, ask better questions, and bring more empathy and clarity into your planning process, Planning & Beyond® will help you sharpen the human side of your advisory work.
Topics include:
- Mastering discovery and prospect meetings
- Navigating difficult money conversations
- Understanding client psychology
- Building trust and deepening client relationships
- Managing emotional client situations
- Improving advisor-client communication
- Applying behavioral finance strategies
- Supporting clients through life transitions
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Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
52. Death and Money: How Advisors Can Support Clients Through Grief and Loss with Rose Zealand
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A client calls, and the news is big. A terminal diagnosis. A sudden death. A surprise windfall that should feel like good news but somehow doesn't. The plan you built so carefully is no longer the point, and the person in front of you is not the same person who sat in your office last quarter. So what do you actually do in that moment?
In this episode, Ashley sits down with Rose Zealand, a CFP, Certified Financial Transitionist, and end-of-life doula who works at the intersection of death and money. Rose founded Golden Thread Collaborative to support people facing life-limiting illness, and she has a rare gift for naming what happens to clients, and to advisors, when life stops following the plan.
Rose offers a working definition that reframes the whole conversation: acute crisis is transition without anticipation. It is the T-bone event, the thing nobody saw coming. She walks through why crisis can be positive or negative, and why a sudden windfall can leave a client more isolated than a loss, because the people around them assume there is nothing to grieve.
From there, Rose lays out how an advisor can show up. Think of your role as a force field around the client, buffering them from pressure and premature decisions. Notice the signs of dysregulation. Ask permission before you ground someone. Use the Now, Soon, Later tool to turn a swirl of urgency into two or three things that truly cannot wait. Become the keeper of the list so your client does not have to carry it alone.
You'll walk away with:
- A clear definition of acute crisis and how it differs from ordinary financial stress
- Why positive crises often come with less support, and how to spot that loneliness
- Simple, consent-based ways to help a dysregulated client come back to the present
- The Now, Soon, Later approach for clients who feel everything is urgent
- A practical aftercare plan, including the menu of support that beats "let me know if you need anything"
- Clear signals for when to bring in a specialist, and how to invest in your own grief and trauma literacy
You are not your client's therapist. As Rose puts it, sometimes your job is to let them be a mess without trying to fix it, and to keep holding them in high regard while they find their footing. This is a conversation for any advisor who has ever sat across from a client in crisis and quietly thought, I have no idea what to say right now.
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About the Guest
Rose Zealand is a CFP, a Certified Financial Transitionist, and a trained end-of-life doula. She is the founder of Golden Thread Collaborative, a Colorado-based practice that supports people in their 40s and 50s facing a life-limiting or potentially life-limiting diagnosis through the financial, logistical, emotional, and existential challenges of dying too soon. Structured more like a coaching engagement than a traditional planning relationship, her work also supports financial advisors who have younger clients moving through acute crisis.
Connect with Rose:
- Website: deathandmoney.com
- LinkedIn: Connect with Rose
- Newsletter: Threads of Insight (twice monthly, available through her website)
Connect with Host Ashley Quamme:
- Podcast Website: Planning & Beyond®
- LinkedIn: Ashley Quamme - Licensed Therapist & Financial Behavior Specialist
- Beyond the Plan®: Financial psychology integration services
- Monthly Newsletter: Subscribe at BeyondTheFP.com
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