Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
Planning & Beyond® is for financial advisors who want to go beyond the numbers and build deeper, more trusted client relationships.
Hosted by Ashley Quamme, a licensed therapist and financial behavior specialist, this podcast helps advisors better understand the psychology, emotions, and behaviors that shape client conversations.
Each episode offers practical strategies you can apply in discovery meetings, prospect conversations, difficult money discussions, and major life transition planning. Through conversations with experts in behavioral finance, financial psychology, and financial therapy, Ashley explores how advisors can strengthen communication, navigate emotional moments, build trust, and support clients with more confidence.
If you want to improve the way you connect with clients, ask better questions, and bring more empathy and clarity into your planning process, Planning & Beyond® will help you sharpen the human side of your advisory work.
Topics include:
- Mastering discovery and prospect meetings
- Navigating difficult money conversations
- Understanding client psychology
- Building trust and deepening client relationships
- Managing emotional client situations
- Improving advisor-client communication
- Applying behavioral finance strategies
- Supporting clients through life transitions
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Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
26. The Hidden Role of Shame in Financial Planning: Practical Tools for Advisors to Create Client Breakthroughs with Nathan Astle
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Is an invisible emotional barrier preventing your clients from following through on their financial plans? In this episode, Certified Financial Therapist™ and founder of the Financial Therapy Clinical Institute, Nathan Astle, reveals how unaddressed financial shame often lurks beneath surface-level resistance and avoidance behaviors. Unlike guilt (which can motivate positive change), shame convinces clients they are fundamentally flawed, creating a cycle of defensiveness and inaction that sabotages even the most technically sound financial strategies.
Through personal stories and evidence-based insights, Nathan provides a practical framework for identifying shame triggers, asking powerful questions that build safety, and creating the warm, judgment-free environment where true financial transformation becomes possible. Discover why statements like "this should be doable" can unintentionally deepen shame, and learn specific conversation strategies that help clients move from "I am bad with money" to making meaningful financial progress.
Key Takeaways:
- Recognize Financial Shame vs. Guilt in Client Behavior - Financial shame isn't about a client's actions but about their self-perception.
- Create a Shame-Reducing Environment Through Language and Questions - Replace "should" statements with warmth-building questions like "How confident do you feel about this plan?"
- Address Gender and Entrepreneurial Money Shame Patterns - Financial shame often manifests differently across genders, with men frequently experiencing shame around earning capacity and women around spending habits.
Resources and Guest Information:
- Financial Therapy Clinical Institute
- Soft Skills for Financial Planners Course
- Money Minus Shame Podcast
- Connect with Nathan Astle on LinkedIn
Connect with Ashley:
- Podcast Website
- Ashley Quamme on LinkedIn
- Beyond the Plan®
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